actually, taking another look at Herd's bag it does look photoshopped in too...I had a bag very similar to that and it was much bigger. It looks about the size of a ladies handbag in that pic...
Oz
i heard very few if any, of the new members on the governing body actually go out in field service more than three hours a month.
is there a reason why the governing body would excuse themselves from the master's commandments?
jesus christ never said "spending time writing rules and regulations" was part of matthew 28. .
actually, taking another look at Herd's bag it does look photoshopped in too...I had a bag very similar to that and it was much bigger. It looks about the size of a ladies handbag in that pic...
Oz
ok im looking for a specific religion and culture that has no flood story.
someone claimed that every religion/culture has a flood story.
i disagree but i want to have a reference..
funny enough...or NOT funny, was that when I was 'in' i never questioned or investigated any of the WTs list of cultures with a flood legend.
That there was a list was good enough for me... and I suspect for most of us before we woke up.
Oz
edit: anyway, as you are looking for a culture that has NO flood story, the above lists might help you cross them off ...
ok im looking for a specific religion and culture that has no flood story.
someone claimed that every religion/culture has a flood story.
i disagree but i want to have a reference..
From the insight book, another big list of cultures claimed to have flood stories that CAME FROM the 'real one' of Noah
Chart
onpage 328] (For fully formatted text, see publication)Flood Legends
Samples from six continents and the islands of the sea; hundreds of such legends are known
Australia- Kurnai
Destruction by Water / Humans Spared / Animals Spared/ Preserved in a VesselBabylon-Berossus’ account
Destruction by Water / Warning Given / Humans Spared / Animals Spared/ Preserved in a VesselBabylon -Gilgamesh epic
Destruction by Water / Divine Cause / Warning Given / Humans Spared / Animals Spared /Preserved in a VesselBolivia- Chiriguano
Destruction by Water / Divine Cause / Warning Given / Humans Spared / Preserved in a VesselBorneo-Sea Dayak
Destruction by Water / Humans Spared / Animals Spared / Preserved in a VesselBurma- Singpho
Destruction by Water / Humans Spared / Animals Spared / Preserved in a VesselCanada- Cree
Destruction by Water / Divine Cause / Humans Spared / Animals Spared / Preserved in a VesselCanada - Montagnais
Destruction by Water / Divine Cause / Warning Given / Humans Spared / Animals Spared / Preserved in a VesselChina- Lolo
Destruction by Water / Divine Cause / Humans Spared / Animals Spared / Preserved in a VesselCuba-original natives
Destruction by Water / Warning Given / Humans Spared / Animals Spared / Preserved in a VesselEast Africa- Masai
Destruction by Water / Divine Cause / Warning Given / Humans Spared / Animals Spared / Preserved in a VesselEgypt -Book of the Dead
Destruction by Water / Divine Cause / Warning Given / Humans Spared / Preserved in a VesselFiji -Walavu-levu tradition
Destruction by Water / Divine Cause / Humans Spared / Preserved in a VesselFrench Polynesia- Raïatéa
Destruction by Water / Divine Cause / Warning Given / Humans Spared / Animals SparedGreece -Lucian’s account
Destruction by Water / Humans Spared / Animals Spared / Preserved in a VesselGuyana - Macushi
Destruction by Water / Divine Cause / Humans Spared / Animals Spared / Preserved in a VesselIceland - Eddas
Destruction by Water / Divine Cause / Humans Spared / Preserved in a VesselIndia -Andaman Islands
Destruction by Water / Divine Cause / Humans Spared / Preserved in a VesselIndia - Bhil
Destruction by Water Warning Given Humans Spared Animals Spared Preserved in a VesselIndia - Kamar
Destruction by Water Divine Cause Warning Given Humans Spared Preserved in a VesselIran - Zend-Avest
Destruction by Water Warning Given Humans Spared Animals SparedItaly - Ovid’s poetry
Destruction by Water Divine Cause Humans Spared Preserved in a VesselMalay Peninsula- Jakun
Destruction by Water Divine Cause Humans Spared Preserved in a VesselMexico -Codex Chimalpopoca
Destruction by Water Warning Given Humans Spared Preserved in a VesselMexico- Huichol
Destruction by Water Warning Given Humans Spared Animals Spared Preserved in a VesselNew Zealand- Maori
Destruction by Water Divine Cause Humans Spared Preserved in a VesselPeru -Indianof Huarochirí
Destruction by Water Warning Given Humans Spared Animals SparedRussia- Vogul
Destruction by Water Warning Given Humans Spared Preserved in a VesselU.S.A. (Alaska)- Kolusches
Destruction by Water Warning Given Humans Spared Animals Spared Preserved in a VesselU.S.A. (Alaska)- Tlingit
Destruction by Water Divine Cause Humans Spared Animals Spared Preserved in a VesselU.S.A. (Arizona)- Papago
Destruction by Water Warning Given Humans Spared Animals Spared Preserved in a VesselU.S.A. (Hawaii)- legend of Nu-u
Destruction by Water Divine Cause Humans Spared Animals Spared Preserved in a VesselVanuatu- Melanesians
Destruction by Water Humans Spared Animals Spared Preserved in a VesselVietnam- Bahnar
Destruction by Water Humans Spared Animals Spared Preserved in a VesselWales -Dwyfan/Dwyfach legend
Destruction by Water Humans Spared Animals Spared Preserved in a Vessel[Artwork—Chinese characters]
VESSEL + EIGHT+ MOUTH (or Persons) .................... SHIP
ok im looking for a specific religion and culture that has no flood story.
someone claimed that every religion/culture has a flood story.
i disagree but i want to have a reference..
please excuse the crappy formatting from the WT CD.
This is from the 'Gods word' book 1989 that claims a list of cultures that have flood stories.
Mankind Did Not Forget
37 Geology professor John McCampbell once wrote: “The essential differences between Biblical catastrophism [the Flood] and evolutionary uniformitarianism are not over the factual data of geology but over the interpretations of those data. The interpretation preferred will depend largely upon the background and presuppositions of the individual student.”
38 That the Flood did happen is seen in the fact that mankind never forgot it. All around the world, in locations as far apart as Alaska and the South Sea Islands, there are ancient stories about it. Native, pre-Columbian civilizations of America, as well as Aborigines of Australia, all have stories about the Flood. While some of the accounts differ in detail, the basic fact that the earth was flooded and only a few humans were saved in a man-made vessel comes through in nearly all versions. The only explanation for such a widespread acceptance is that the Flood was a historical event.
i heard very few if any, of the new members on the governing body actually go out in field service more than three hours a month.
is there a reason why the governing body would excuse themselves from the master's commandments?
jesus christ never said "spending time writing rules and regulations" was part of matthew 28. .
another good thread on this from a year ago...
this is funny...me likes.
I thought they went out in a box, either dead from old age or poison.
but it seems the dude is just too darn tired and pooped out to even pray. I mean, what the hell does he have to actually DO?
OZ
ok im looking for a specific religion and culture that has no flood story.
someone claimed that every religion/culture has a flood story.
i disagree but i want to have a reference..
didnt one of the WT books give a list?
personally i wouldn't trust the book any further than i could throw it, but it might be a good research tool to see if (a) those alledged cultures really to have the fable, or (B) that the WT twisted research to make it look like they do...
Oz
in 1976, my friend bruce price was in contact with jehovahs witnesses who had become disillusioned through the debacle with 1975. bruce was the leading voice among the sda ministry in working for jws.
at the time, i was a member of the sda church.
although i left them about 25 years ago, to this day bruce and i enjoy a strong and genuinely warm friendship.. so, in 1976 bruce invited me to a meeting with one of the jws who was leading the disquiet in his congregation in dandenong (victoria, australia).
PLEASE!
somehow!
Curiosity is raised and we needs a feedin'
Oz
i went to shut my door ( it has ice in the ledge) i shoved it with my side ugh!!!.
if i laugh or cough i near die with pain.i went to the hospital for xrays.
it is a torn muscle.
Oh granny!
Karma will look after you...you log in here, tell us your pain and here we all are! I for one would transmogrify your torn muscle to me if i could.
Alas, my daughter is yet to get a diploma in Physics and invent the needed technology...sigh
take care grace
OZ
hi everyone, its been over 4 months and i have not heard a response from the elders.
i called one of them a few weeks back.
he said they sent it to bethel and haven't heard back yet.
Hi Greybeard
thats one hell of a letter and a pity the parties that need to read it probably wont.
It may be a hard thing to swallow, but your soulmate was not your soulmate. It was a relationship based on a lie of togetherness so long as you never deviated from the fairytale. To even question the tiny details of the story is to betray the soulmate-ness.
A true soulmate does not care if you believe different theories, facts, fairytales or stories to get through life.
If you come to terms with that, it WILL make healing so much easier, i can assure you.
My first wife, even though she came to despise me, still wanted another try after our divorce. BUT the condition was that I had to re-adopt the old beliefs and practices. She could only love me if i repaired the rip in the fairytale.
Oz